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		<title>By: HP</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21533</link>
		<author>HP</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21398</link>
		<author>Lance</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very insightful, feier ... you have a good way of understanding the problems and situations and how they might change and grow.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very insightful, feier &#8230; you have a good way of understanding the problems and situations and how they might change and grow.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: feier</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21390</link>
		<author>feier</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know in china especially in country many families break the law to give birth lots of children,why ?
as i know there are two reason,first many people in country still insist the traditional concept that they only love boys. they think boys are the hope of a family.so if they give birth a girl at first they will contine to get boys....
and also led to many girls and disabled babies are abandoned by their parents. 
generally most of children are  abandoned by poor family,cause they give birth many but cant bring up them. thats a serious problem in china.

yes i have to admit that the rich and power always break law,not only on family planing but also in every aspects of the society. the rich and power always come together. if you have money you can "buy" power in china.at the same time own power equals own money...
thats ture.
the corruption problem always exist in china,i assume its also exist in other countries ,just not serious as china. 
chinese value are also changing with the economic developing.
most of people aim at money and power. 
The corruption proplem being with every part of china.

on the family planing,it helped to control the number of chinese population
but now the rich and power can over the law. its a complicate policy in china. but we should know with the economic developing more and more chinese family choose 1 child,cause they increasing realize that its not easy to bring up a child for an ordinary chinese family no matter in cities or countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know in china especially in country many families break the law to give birth lots of children,why ?<br />
as i know there are two reason,first many people in country still insist the traditional concept that they only love boys. they think boys are the hope of a family.so if they give birth a girl at first they will contine to get boys&#8230;.<br />
and also led to many girls and disabled babies are abandoned by their parents.<br />
generally most of children are  abandoned by poor family,cause they give birth many but cant bring up them. thats a serious problem in china.</p>
<p>yes i have to admit that the rich and power always break law,not only on family planing but also in every aspects of the society. the rich and power always come together. if you have money you can &#8220;buy&#8221; power in china.at the same time own power equals own money&#8230;<br />
thats ture.<br />
the corruption problem always exist in china,i assume its also exist in other countries ,just not serious as china.<br />
chinese value are also changing with the economic developing.<br />
most of people aim at money and power.<br />
The corruption proplem being with every part of china.</p>
<p>on the family planing,it helped to control the number of chinese population<br />
but now the rich and power can over the law. its a complicate policy in china. but we should know with the economic developing more and more chinese family choose 1 child,cause they increasing realize that its not easy to bring up a child for an ordinary chinese family no matter in cities or countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21262</link>
		<author>Lance</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21262</guid>
		<description>Nicki (and everyone else), &lt;a href="http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-07/25/content_5443402.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;here's a followup story&lt;/a&gt; about the officials in Hunan.

In response to the original report, the Hunan People's Congress is ramping up the fines proportional to the income of the offenders.  It'll supposedly be 2-6 times their annual salary per kid ... I guess that's current market value!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicki (and everyone else), <a href="http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-07/25/content_5443402.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s a followup story</a> about the officials in Hunan.</p>
<p>In response to the original report, the Hunan People&#8217;s Congress is ramping up the fines proportional to the income of the offenders.  It&#8217;ll supposedly be 2-6 times their annual salary per kid &#8230; I guess that&#8217;s current market value!</p>
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		<title>By: Nicki</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21260</link>
		<author>Nicki</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21260</guid>
		<description>Wow, that's crazy! I wonder how that family got away with having that many kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s crazy! I wonder how that family got away with having that many kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21259</link>
		<author>Lance</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21259</guid>
		<description>So true, Nicki!  I think some of the reason is because so many kids are growing up &lt;i&gt;without&lt;/i&gt; siblings, so they simply don't want to be left out!

Since my first week teaching here, I too learned that I needed to quickly clarify what I mean by "brother" or "sister".  From what I could find out, the student in question literally had 16 siblings ... I grilled him, his classmates, and even one of the siblings about it!

Thanks for stopping by, hope to hear more from you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true, Nicki!  I think some of the reason is because so many kids are growing up <i>without</i> siblings, so they simply don&#8217;t want to be left out!</p>
<p>Since my first week teaching here, I too learned that I needed to quickly clarify what I mean by &#8220;brother&#8221; or &#8220;sister&#8221;.  From what I could find out, the student in question literally had 16 siblings &#8230; I grilled him, his classmates, and even one of the siblings about it!</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by, hope to hear more from you!</p>
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		<title>By: Nicki</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21258</link>
		<author>Nicki</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21258</guid>
		<description>Yes, many families do "break the law" and have more than the allotted one kid. But one thing to watch out for with asking students how many siblings they have, is that they will include their cousins in the count! This is what I find often inflates it to...what did you say? 9 brothers and seven sisters?  I can almost bet you that if you were to discuss further with that student you'll find he or she is counting first cousins as brothers and sisters. In Chinese it is common to refer to cousins as brothers and sisters, and most students do not realize this is not done in English. I find drawing a simple family tree and explaining that brothers and sisters are ONLY the children of YOUR parents helps to clear this up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, many families do &#8220;break the law&#8221; and have more than the allotted one kid. But one thing to watch out for with asking students how many siblings they have, is that they will include their cousins in the count! This is what I find often inflates it to&#8230;what did you say? 9 brothers and seven sisters?  I can almost bet you that if you were to discuss further with that student you&#8217;ll find he or she is counting first cousins as brothers and sisters. In Chinese it is common to refer to cousins as brothers and sisters, and most students do not realize this is not done in English. I find drawing a simple family tree and explaining that brothers and sisters are ONLY the children of YOUR parents helps to clear this up.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21231</link>
		<author>Lance</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21231</guid>
		<description>Good points, Steve.

The way people see it here and the way that I see things are often very different.  To me, a person who breaks a law and is punished for it (with a fine, jail sentence, or even execution) still broke that law.  For example, when I speed in my car in America, I understand that I am breaking the law and I'm willing to accept the consequences.  Perhaps that's a good analogy to the way many Chinese people think about population control.

In my mind, corruption is a much bigger issue ... when a rich or powerful person breaks the law and doesn't pay the consequences, simply because of position or money or guanxi, it's a major problem.  The recent &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/world/asia/24china.html?ex=1184212800&#38;en=06a3d5d7f0437987&#38;ei=5070k" target="_blank"&gt;family planning riots&lt;/a&gt; in nearby Guanxi highlight the issue ... officials and police were going door to door, destroying and stealing property and forcing abortions in families with more than one child.  Local people saw the intolerance and hypocrisy in their authority figures and rioted because of it.  And the Chinese government once again covered the whole thing up in their state-run media.

It's interesting to me that the provincial family planning commission is now trying to publicly shame these people.  I wonder if that loss of face will have any effect ... not upon their personal family choices, but upon their actions as public officials.  And I wonder when the population control laws will begin to loosen ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Steve.</p>
<p>The way people see it here and the way that I see things are often very different.  To me, a person who breaks a law and is punished for it (with a fine, jail sentence, or even execution) still broke that law.  For example, when I speed in my car in America, I understand that I am breaking the law and I&#8217;m willing to accept the consequences.  Perhaps that&#8217;s a good analogy to the way many Chinese people think about population control.</p>
<p>In my mind, corruption is a much bigger issue &#8230; when a rich or powerful person breaks the law and doesn&#8217;t pay the consequences, simply because of position or money or guanxi, it&#8217;s a major problem.  The recent <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/world/asia/24china.html?ex=1184212800&amp;en=06a3d5d7f0437987&amp;ei=5070k" target="_blank">family planning riots</a> in nearby Guanxi highlight the issue &#8230; officials and police were going door to door, destroying and stealing property and forcing abortions in families with more than one child.  Local people saw the intolerance and hypocrisy in their authority figures and rioted because of it.  And the Chinese government once again covered the whole thing up in their state-run media.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to me that the provincial family planning commission is now trying to publicly shame these people.  I wonder if that loss of face will have any effect &#8230; not upon their personal family choices, but upon their actions as public officials.  And I wonder when the population control laws will begin to loosen &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21229</link>
		<author>Steve</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21229</guid>
		<description>Lance, we have some friends who have more than one child.  They could afford the 'fine' and they felt having two children was right for them.  Since they paid, they don't see it as 'corruption' or of any law violation.  That seems to be the way people feel here - you can have more if you are willing to pay.

Some ideologues in the CCP want to call that corruption or law breaking, but to me, it seems like they are working the system in order to have the family they desire.

For the record, I don't think there should be a 'punishment' for having a second child - so on this one, I sympathize with those who are being called criminals because they had a second kid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lance, we have some friends who have more than one child.  They could afford the &#8216;fine&#8217; and they felt having two children was right for them.  Since they paid, they don&#8217;t see it as &#8216;corruption&#8217; or of any law violation.  That seems to be the way people feel here - you can have more if you are willing to pay.</p>
<p>Some ideologues in the CCP want to call that corruption or law breaking, but to me, it seems like they are working the system in order to have the family they desire.</p>
<p>For the record, I don&#8217;t think there should be a &#8216;punishment&#8217; for having a second child - so on this one, I sympathize with those who are being called criminals because they had a second kid.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21226</link>
		<author>Lance</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://webel.net/archives/1074#comment-21226</guid>
		<description>Karen, Hongli Yao, Fatima, Minami, Jianhong, Moonjo, Zhan Li, and others ... thanks for your continued support and encouragement.  After spending so much time as a foreigner here, I am very interested in listening to others who have spent time in America as foreigners.  The things that seem crazy to me in China must seem even crazier to others who are living in America!!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen, Hongli Yao, Fatima, Minami, Jianhong, Moonjo, Zhan Li, and others &#8230; thanks for your continued support and encouragement.  After spending so much time as a foreigner here, I am very interested in listening to others who have spent time in America as foreigners.  The things that seem crazy to me in China must seem even crazier to others who are living in America!!!</p>
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