Comments on: The Narrative Is Gone http://webel.net/archives/1403 The blog and website of Lance Webel. Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:57:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Nathaniel http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23664 Nathaniel Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:03:39 +0000 http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23664 I listen exclusively to christian music... that's not too common for a 14yo... anyway, i have lost almost all interest in CCM because the music is cookie-cutter, and the lyrics all sound the same, the vocals are almost all copying off each other, and most of the time, all the new "singles" sound the same as mainstream music (...coldplay) I listen to bands such as Delirious? and Audio Adrenaline (the singer for which sounds regrettably like rod stewart) who are borderline ccm because of their originality, but for the most part, i feed off of alt/metal music. P.O.D. www.payableondeath.com, is one of my favorite band because of their ability to have heavenward lyrics in a real way. Hymns are great too, although i don't have any on my worn out iPod, i love singing them on sundays (especially when i know the words and tune) because they give a break to the lame and overused praise choruses that are repeated over and over.... :!: :!: :!: I listen exclusively to christian music… that’s not too common for a 14yo… anyway, i have lost almost all interest in CCM because the music is cookie-cutter, and the lyrics all sound the same, the vocals are almost all copying off each other, and most of the time, all the new “singles” sound the same as mainstream music (…coldplay)

I listen to bands such as Delirious? and Audio Adrenaline (the singer for which sounds regrettably like rod stewart) who are borderline ccm because of their originality, but for the most part, i feed off of alt/metal music. P.O.D. www.payableondeath.com, is one of my favorite band because of their ability to have heavenward lyrics in a real way.

Hymns are great too, although i don’t have any on my worn out iPod, i love singing them on sundays (especially when i know the words and tune) because they give a break to the lame and overused praise choruses that are repeated over and over…. :!: :!: :!:

]]> By: Sarah Sears Webel http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23662 Sarah Sears Webel Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:08:41 +0000 http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23662 I routinely stop singing mid-verse when I encounter a song that talks about my wanting to "touch" Jesus etc. etc. It's me me meeeeee half the time in many newer songs - I'm going to do this, I feel that... I like many newer songs, but depth and some sense of Biblical correctness should, IMO, be benchmarks! I routinely stop singing mid-verse when I encounter a song that talks about my wanting to “touch” Jesus etc. etc. It’s me me meeeeee half the time in many newer songs - I’m going to do this, I feel that… I like many newer songs, but depth and some sense of Biblical correctness should, IMO, be benchmarks!

]]> By: HP http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23629 HP Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:44:48 +0000 http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23629 Or a BANJO-man. (If you go to our church.) Or a BANJO-man. (If you go to our church.)

]]> By: Mona http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23628 Mona Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:32:54 +0000 http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23628 I agree in part. Coming together with the family of God does strengthen my faith, and singing great songs or hymns which tell the Gospel encourage me greatly. Corporate worship is a very important aspect of what the Bible teaches, and singing great hymns of the faith propels us towards God and towards other believers as we live in community together. Our church uses a great combination of musical styles, with an emphasis upon worshipping from the heart, not just on Sundays, but as a lifestyle through the week. Our kids learn great hymns in their Sunday school classes along with other fun worship songs. The only thing that changes the position of our hearts is the Spirit of God! He can use a great hymn to to do that! (or a fellow believer, a scripture verse, etc.) I agree in part. Coming together with the family of God does strengthen my faith, and singing great songs or hymns which tell the Gospel encourage me greatly. Corporate worship is a very important aspect of what the Bible teaches, and singing great hymns of the faith propels us towards God and towards other believers as we live in community together.

Our church uses a great combination of musical styles, with an emphasis upon worshipping from the heart, not just on Sundays, but as a lifestyle through the week. Our kids learn great hymns in their Sunday school classes along with other fun worship songs.

The only thing that changes the position of our hearts is the Spirit of God! He can use a great hymn to to do that! (or a fellow believer, a scripture verse, etc.)

]]> By: Steve http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23627 Steve Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:30:14 +0000 http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23627 Some of the old hymns are so "old" that people today don't understand the jargon being used. IMO, that is equally bad as singing the same line over and over a billion times, because it still has no meaning to the singer. I still think the answer has NOTHING to do with the song / hymn / style. Worship is how we live our lives 24/7, the choices we make to be obedient or not, the love we choose to show to the 'unlovable' or not, the Good News we share with those who need it or that we don't share. That is worship. The song(s) we sing for 20 minutes on Sunday morning are not going to change the position of our hearts from anything other than what they were for the other 167.5 hours of the week. ...well, if it does, than it's shallow at best. IMO Some of the old hymns are so “old” that people today don’t understand the jargon being used. IMO, that is equally bad as singing the same line over and over a billion times, because it still has no meaning to the singer.

I still think the answer has NOTHING to do with the song / hymn / style.

Worship is how we live our lives 24/7, the choices we make to be obedient or not, the love we choose to show to the ‘unlovable’ or not, the Good News we share with those who need it or that we don’t share. That is worship.

The song(s) we sing for 20 minutes on Sunday morning are not going to change the position of our hearts from anything other than what they were for the other 167.5 hours of the week. …well, if it does, than it’s shallow at best. IMO

]]> By: Mona http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23624 Mona Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:24:46 +0000 http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23624 How do we get the narrative back? Sing more hymns! (and per Ronda, sing every verse) I personally like a combination of good old hymns and newer stuff. I also love it that our kids sing hymns (and other types of music, too) in their Sunday School classes. How do we get the narrative back? Sing more hymns! (and per Ronda, sing every verse)

I personally like a combination of good old hymns and newer stuff. I also love it that our kids sing hymns (and other types of music, too) in their Sunday School classes.

]]> By: Steve http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23580 Steve Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:39:05 +0000 http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23580 I agree completely Lance. I agree completely Lance.

]]> By: Lance http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23579 Lance Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:13:05 +0000 http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23579 Haha ... no, Lindsey, I wasn't at <a href="http://www.4cornerschurch.com/" rel="nofollow">Four Corners</a>, I was <a href="http://midwestchinesechristians.org/MCCA2008SUM/en/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. I definitely think that our music at 4C is leaps-and-bounds beyond that of many other churches, especially musically. But I still think we could be a lot more conscious about the use of narrative (lyrics, scripture readings, testimonies) in our corporate worship. And Steve ... maybe worship doesn't have much to do with singing, but I think that singing should have a lot to do with worship, especially at church! Haha … no, Lindsey, I wasn’t at Four Corners, I was here. I definitely think that our music at 4C is leaps-and-bounds beyond that of many other churches, especially musically. But I still think we could be a lot more conscious about the use of narrative (lyrics, scripture readings, testimonies) in our corporate worship.

And Steve … maybe worship doesn’t have much to do with singing, but I think that singing should have a lot to do with worship, especially at church!

]]> By: Lindsey http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23578 Lindsey Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:21:28 +0000 http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23578 I'm really, really hoping that this is not because of the fact that I was singing on Sunday! I’m really, really hoping that this is not because of the fact that I was singing on Sunday!

]]> By: Steve http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23577 Steve Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:13:11 +0000 http://webel.net/archives/1403#comment-23577 Personally I don't think worship has much to do with singing at all. Personally I don’t think worship has much to do with singing at all.

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