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		<title>By: HP</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/616#comment-5869</link>
		<author>HP</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 03:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are certainly qualified, and not just because you own one...  (all geeky engineers are qualified.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are certainly qualified, and not just because you own one&#8230;  (all geeky engineers are qualified.)</p>
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		<title>By: austin</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/616#comment-5846</link>
		<author>austin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'm not sure i qualify to be in this discussion, but i own an ipod and love it.  i'm sure every player has it's faults.  but in the end, even though i don't get out much, i haven't met too many people that own an ipod that are unhappy with it.  i'm sure there are thousands if not hundreds of thousands...but they are few and far between in my world.
i think that the ipod is a lot like the sony walkman.  it hit at the right time and became the standard.  apple had its act together on this one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m not sure i qualify to be in this discussion, but i own an ipod and love it.  i&#8217;m sure every player has it&#8217;s faults.  but in the end, even though i don&#8217;t get out much, i haven&#8217;t met too many people that own an ipod that are unhappy with it.  i&#8217;m sure there are thousands if not hundreds of thousands&#8230;but they are few and far between in my world.<br />
i think that the ipod is a lot like the sony walkman.  it hit at the right time and became the standard.  apple had its act together on this one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/616#comment-5835</link>
		<author>Lance</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are all right.

The iPod is blessed not only with incredible design, but also with years of hardcore research.  At the turn of the century, when most tech companies were making huge cuts across the board, Apple was spending millions on Research and Development (the only high-tech company that did so) ... in fact, I have a friend who did a lot of R&#38;D for the Shuffle.  As a result, Apple came out of that slump with some great products and perfect positioning.  And, as everyone knows, Apple sells an &lt;i&gt;experience&lt;/i&gt; (i.e. the retail stores, the packaging, the service plans, etc).

But in reality, the iPod's popularity, at least in the U.S., is due mostly to their keen understanding of brand marketing and viral popularity.  The product does &lt;i&gt;not &lt;/i&gt; justify the high price, and a large percentage of buyers are making their purchase because of a trend, not because they have done extensive comparative research.  It's overpriced and they're getting away with it ... and as rediculous as it may sound, people are willing to pay for the experience and the brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are all right.</p>
<p>The iPod is blessed not only with incredible design, but also with years of hardcore research.  At the turn of the century, when most tech companies were making huge cuts across the board, Apple was spending millions on Research and Development (the only high-tech company that did so) &#8230; in fact, I have a friend who did a lot of R&amp;D for the Shuffle.  As a result, Apple came out of that slump with some great products and perfect positioning.  And, as everyone knows, Apple sells an <i>experience</i> (i.e. the retail stores, the packaging, the service plans, etc).</p>
<p>But in reality, the iPod&#8217;s popularity, at least in the U.S., is due mostly to their keen understanding of brand marketing and viral popularity.  The product does <i>not </i> justify the high price, and a large percentage of buyers are making their purchase because of a trend, not because they have done extensive comparative research.  It&#8217;s overpriced and they&#8217;re getting away with it &#8230; and as rediculous as it may sound, people are willing to pay for the experience and the brand.</p>
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		<title>By: HP</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/616#comment-5832</link>
		<author>HP</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and i think i'm just too much of a passionate apple geek for my own good, judging by how long of posts i have made on this topic.  maybe the truth is that i drank too much of the apple flavored kool-aid...  :?:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and i think i&#8217;m just too much of a passionate apple geek for my own good, judging by how long of posts i have made on this topic.  maybe the truth is that i drank too much of the apple flavored kool-aid&#8230;  <img src='http://webel.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_question.gif' alt=':?:' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Matt Mc3</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/616#comment-5784</link>
		<author>Matt Mc3</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://webel.net/archives/616#comment-5784</guid>
		<description>HP - I should have qualified that I read the whole article and understand what it was about completely - Joel is saying that the iPod is a "Great Design".  However, saying it doesn't make it so and the design flaws he points out are true and hold more water to me than the fact that "everyone's got one".

While I agree with Joel's comments (the ones I quoted) about the state of the iPod, what I don't agree with is his assertion that the iPod encompasses "Great Design".  Throughout the whole article he makes no mention of &lt;b&gt;what about the iPod actually makes it great&lt;/b&gt;!?  And that information was all I was seeking here too.  I guess you just have to own one to understand.

Personally, that particular chicken-and-egg problem is what keeps me from buying one.  I'm not willing to open my wallet for "buy one, you'll love it" without the details of "why?".  Though, I'm not kidding myself - losing one sale to little old me makes absolutely no difference to Apple or to the success of the iPod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP - I should have qualified that I read the whole article and understand what it was about completely - Joel is saying that the iPod is a &#8220;Great Design&#8221;.  However, saying it doesn&#8217;t make it so and the design flaws he points out are true and hold more water to me than the fact that &#8220;everyone&#8217;s got one&#8221;.</p>
<p>While I agree with Joel&#8217;s comments (the ones I quoted) about the state of the iPod, what I don&#8217;t agree with is his assertion that the iPod encompasses &#8220;Great Design&#8221;.  Throughout the whole article he makes no mention of <b>what about the iPod actually makes it great</b>!?  And that information was all I was seeking here too.  I guess you just have to own one to understand.</p>
<p>Personally, that particular chicken-and-egg problem is what keeps me from buying one.  I&#8217;m not willing to open my wallet for &#8220;buy one, you&#8217;ll love it&#8221; without the details of &#8220;why?&#8221;.  Though, I&#8217;m not kidding myself - losing one sale to little old me makes absolutely no difference to Apple or to the success of the iPod.</p>
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		<title>By: HP</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/616#comment-5774</link>
		<author>HP</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you read the whole article you linked to IN CONTEXT, he states clearly why it is so popular....  GREAT DESIGN.  (and i quote at length:)

"Now that we've more-or-less defined "design," since the working title of this series is Great Design, I better come up with a working definition of "great."

"Just about every product category has its blue-chip, gold-plated stars. Movie stars? Brad Pitt. Best rock song of all time? Sweet Home, Alabama, of course. Office chairs? The Herman Miller Aeron. Portable MP3 players? Clearly the Apple iPod."

...

"But that only gets you so far, as Creative, makers of the unloved ZEN MP3 players, are learning the hard way. Despite having products that are better than the iPod by just about every reasonable metric, they are unable to even come close to Apple iPod's dominant market share. They're cheaper. They have more memory. They support more file formats. Etc. Doesn't matter: they still have single-digit market share while iPod is probably in the 80s somewhere.

That's because good design can only take you so far. Getting every aspect of the design perfect, making a usable product, making the right tradeoffs between price and functionality, between flexibility and ease of use, between weight and battery life, etc., etc., etc., is all really important, but the most it can possibly get you is to #2.

.......

"So this is what I'm talking about when I say "Great Design." It's that ineffable quality that certain incredibly successful products have that makes people fall in love with them despite their flaws. It's extremely hard to pull off........"  

(end of ridiculously long quote for a blog post.)

my other comment is, i guess you have to own one to really know.  kinda like the guy at work who is looking for a new laptop.  i told him the other day to consider a mac, and he said "never, they are pieces of junk."  i asked him if he has ever used one, and he says no, never laid a finger on one...  my question back to him is ... how can he judge that something is a piece of junk if he's never even touched one before?  its like saying i'm not going to X restaurant because they have terrible food, based purely on heresay or opinion.  i can't tell you how many times i've had a PC person tell me that macs are junk, when all they know about them is they tried to use one once back in 1988 and didn't like it, or something along those lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you read the whole article you linked to IN CONTEXT, he states clearly why it is so popular&#8230;.  GREAT DESIGN.  (and i quote at length:)</p>
<p>&#8220;Now that we&#8217;ve more-or-less defined &#8220;design,&#8221; since the working title of this series is Great Design, I better come up with a working definition of &#8220;great.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Just about every product category has its blue-chip, gold-plated stars. Movie stars? Brad Pitt. Best rock song of all time? Sweet Home, Alabama, of course. Office chairs? The Herman Miller Aeron. Portable MP3 players? Clearly the Apple iPod.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;But that only gets you so far, as Creative, makers of the unloved ZEN MP3 players, are learning the hard way. Despite having products that are better than the iPod by just about every reasonable metric, they are unable to even come close to Apple iPod&#8217;s dominant market share. They&#8217;re cheaper. They have more memory. They support more file formats. Etc. Doesn&#8217;t matter: they still have single-digit market share while iPod is probably in the 80s somewhere.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because good design can only take you so far. Getting every aspect of the design perfect, making a usable product, making the right tradeoffs between price and functionality, between flexibility and ease of use, between weight and battery life, etc., etc., etc., is all really important, but the most it can possibly get you is to #2.</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;So this is what I&#8217;m talking about when I say &#8220;Great Design.&#8221; It&#8217;s that ineffable quality that certain incredibly successful products have that makes people fall in love with them despite their flaws. It&#8217;s extremely hard to pull off&#8230;&#8230;..&#8221;  </p>
<p>(end of ridiculously long quote for a blog post.)</p>
<p>my other comment is, i guess you have to own one to really know.  kinda like the guy at work who is looking for a new laptop.  i told him the other day to consider a mac, and he said &#8220;never, they are pieces of junk.&#8221;  i asked him if he has ever used one, and he says no, never laid a finger on one&#8230;  my question back to him is &#8230; how can he judge that something is a piece of junk if he&#8217;s never even touched one before?  its like saying i&#8217;m not going to X restaurant because they have terrible food, based purely on heresay or opinion.  i can&#8217;t tell you how many times i&#8217;ve had a PC person tell me that macs are junk, when all they know about them is they tried to use one once back in 1988 and didn&#8217;t like it, or something along those lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Mc3</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/616#comment-5768</link>
		<author>Matt Mc3</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://webel.net/archives/616#comment-5768</guid>
		<description>Joel of "Joel on Software" fame seems to agree with me - the iPod is massively popular, but it's not immediately apparent why.

From (http://www.joelonsoftware.com/design/1stDraft/02.html):

&lt;blockquote&gt;"And finally, the iPod. Ah, the iPod. It's way more expensive than any competitive MP3 player. It has fewer features than the competition. The iPod nano, the tiny one that everybody's raving about, is the only product I've ever seen that can be scratched beyond all recognition just by touching it lightly with your finger, and the shiny mirror back will be permanently covered in greasy fingerprint smudges from the moment you take it out of the elegant package until the battery wears out and you have to throw away the whole thing and buy another. But who cares?"&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel of &#8220;Joel on Software&#8221; fame seems to agree with me - the iPod is massively popular, but it&#8217;s not immediately apparent why.</p>
<p>From (http://www.joelonsoftware.com/design/1stDraft/02.html):</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;And finally, the iPod. Ah, the iPod. It&#8217;s way more expensive than any competitive MP3 player. It has fewer features than the competition. The iPod nano, the tiny one that everybody&#8217;s raving about, is the only product I&#8217;ve ever seen that can be scratched beyond all recognition just by touching it lightly with your finger, and the shiny mirror back will be permanently covered in greasy fingerprint smudges from the moment you take it out of the elegant package until the battery wears out and you have to throw away the whole thing and buy another. But who cares?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: HP</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/616#comment-5706</link>
		<author>HP</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>willy - you are correct, i do like my firewire port.  though clunkier than the dock that is now standard, it is much more, shall i say...  versatile...  :wink:  (he said as he inhaled more polyurethane fumes than the human brain was ever intended to.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>willy - you are correct, i do like my firewire port.  though clunkier than the dock that is now standard, it is much more, shall i say&#8230;  versatile&#8230;  <img src='http://webel.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' />  (he said as he inhaled more polyurethane fumes than the human brain was ever intended to.)</p>
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		<title>By: Willy Wong Ka</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/616#comment-5699</link>
		<author>Willy Wong Ka</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://webel.net/archives/616#comment-5699</guid>
		<description>heh... and I'm still using the old tangerine clamshell iBook running 10.3...

Apple got smart and removed the Firewire port from the iPod.  It was TOO nifty with that enhancement (HP knows!).

I don't quite understand Matt's post #2 points 3 &#38; 4 -- unless his desktop and laptops are not Macs, in which case he may have a point.

Apple could overcome all of this by installing those new batteries that recharge through the USB port...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh&#8230; and I&#8217;m still using the old tangerine clamshell iBook running 10.3&#8230;</p>
<p>Apple got smart and removed the Firewire port from the iPod.  It was TOO nifty with that enhancement (HP knows!).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t quite understand Matt&#8217;s post #2 points 3 &amp; 4 &#8212; unless his desktop and laptops are not Macs, in which case he may have a point.</p>
<p>Apple could overcome all of this by installing those new batteries that recharge through the USB port&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://webel.net/archives/616#comment-5693</link>
		<author>David</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just made the iPod into a harddrive and transfered them that way. There are ways to pull your music off an iPod.
I am just as happy using my mp3 discs and a disc player as an iPod, it just takes longer...an iPod is just a music player, and with nothing else better, I see it as a decent peice of work.
I think the radio is ridiculous anyways. Its not stuff people want to hear.  
Long live pirate radio.
I agree with the battery part though. I like being able to change batteries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just made the iPod into a harddrive and transfered them that way. There are ways to pull your music off an iPod.<br />
I am just as happy using my mp3 discs and a disc player as an iPod, it just takes longer&#8230;an iPod is just a music player, and with nothing else better, I see it as a decent peice of work.<br />
I think the radio is ridiculous anyways. Its not stuff people want to hear.<br />
Long live pirate radio.<br />
I agree with the battery part though. I like being able to change batteries.</p>
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